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Post  Progurt on Sun Jul 22, 2012 1:41 pm

What do you want for your next gun purchase? I'm at a quandry, as I presently have all the guns I want... getting something else at this point would be a significant investment of money for something I probably wouldn't like as much as I like now.
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Post  gendoikari87 on Sun Jul 22, 2012 1:55 pm

I'm still at a loss, I have so much to acquire, so little time and money.
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Finn Mosin

Post  Xela on Mon Jul 23, 2012 1:49 am

I really, really, really, really want another Finn Mosin. There is one with my name on it, but at 1350 bucks, sheeeesh...so it's not quite mine yet.

And now that the LGC is CMP certified, it would be great to have one, two, three Garands...but I'm not really sure I want another rifle caliber (already have 6.5 Swedish, 7.62 Russian, and 7.62x39).

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Post  gendoikari87 on Mon Jul 23, 2012 12:12 pm

why so much for a mosin?
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Post  Progurt on Mon Jul 23, 2012 12:51 pm

They're the Rolls Royces of Mosins. Highest quality, best condition.
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Post  Progurt on Mon Jul 23, 2012 3:09 pm

Why are the Finns so collectable?

This answer could be an entire article, so I will be as brief as I can. One factor is the low production numbers. The Finnish made Mosin Nagants were not produced on the scale of many battle rifles in WW2. One can compare 21 million Soviet M91-30's to only 130,000 (or so) Finnish M39 rifles to get a pretty clear picture of the number difference. All the Finnish Mosin Nagants are uncommon and some are downright rare. Also Finland has a great and interesting history behind it. A small nation of tough Finns stood up to the largest army in the world and gave much better than it took. The history is compelling and certainly is a factor in collecting. Another key factor is the simple fact that the Finnish made Mosin Nagants are well made and accurate rifles. They can hold their own in accuracy against any military arm made in their time frame. The old notion that cheap prices are why Finns are collectable is false, as the Finnish market is no longer a cheap one. This further goes to prove just how good the rifles themselves are. They have an appeal that is much greater than cheap prices.

What is the most collectable Finnish Mosin Nagant?

You can ask this of five different Finnish collectors and might get five different answers. Really any Finnish Mosin Nagant is a collectable arm but some are more collectable than others. I do think it is safe to say any of the carbines and the snipers rank at the top of most lists. There are a number of experimental versions that were made as well but the chances of finding them are next to none. The fact is that the carbines and snipers are about as rare as one can get but they do surface from time to time. The costs of such an item is indeed reflected by just how uncommon they are. For most "common" collectors the early Finns, like the M91-24, the 1920's made M91's, the M27's, M28's, and M28-30's are great finds and worthy to be called rare collector's items.

How much is my Finnish Mosin Nagant worth?

Talk about the hardest question one can ask.....This really depends on so many factors that any statement on price is really nothing more than a guess or a price range. There are rifles in my collection that I have bought for $50 but I have seen like rifles sell for over $300. One never knows as so much goes into price. Rarity makes price is a pretty simple rule; however, there are many cases when price is set by other standards. What is the rifle worth? It is worth what someone will pay for it.
Source: Finnish Mosin Nagant FAQs
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Post  Xela on Mon Jul 23, 2012 6:02 pm

Progurt wrote:
Why are the Finns so collectable?

This answer could be an entire article, so I will be as brief as I can. One factor is the low production numbers. The Finnish made Mosin Nagants were not produced on the scale of many battle rifles in WW2. One can compare 21 million Soviet M91-30's to only 130,000 (or so) Finnish M39 rifles to get a pretty clear picture of the number difference. All the Finnish Mosin Nagants are uncommon and some are downright rare. Also Finland has a great and interesting history behind it. A small nation of tough Finns stood up to the largest army in the world and gave much better than it took. The history is compelling and certainly is a factor in collecting. Another key factor is the simple fact that the Finnish made Mosin Nagants are well made and accurate rifles. They can hold their own in accuracy against any military arm made in their time frame. The old notion that cheap prices are why Finns are collectable is false, as the Finnish market is no longer a cheap one. This further goes to prove just how good the rifles themselves are. They have an appeal that is much greater than cheap prices.

What is the most collectable Finnish Mosin Nagant?

You can ask this of five different Finnish collectors and might get five different answers. Really any Finnish Mosin Nagant is a collectable arm but some are more collectable than others. I do think it is safe to say any of the carbines and the snipers rank at the top of most lists. There are a number of experimental versions that were made as well but the chances of finding them are next to none. The fact is that the carbines and snipers are about as rare as one can get but they do surface from time to time. The costs of such an item is indeed reflected by just how uncommon they are. For most "common" collectors the early Finns, like the M91-24, the 1920's made M91's, the M27's, M28's, and M28-30's are great finds and worthy to be called rare collector's items.

How much is my Finnish Mosin Nagant worth?

Talk about the hardest question one can ask.....This really depends on so many factors that any statement on price is really nothing more than a guess or a price range. There are rifles in my collection that I have bought for $50 but I have seen like rifles sell for over $300. One never knows as so much goes into price. Rarity makes price is a pretty simple rule; however, there are many cases when price is set by other standards. What is the rifle worth? It is worth what someone will pay for it.
Source: Finnish Mosin Nagant FAQs

Great article Progurt. I was about to reference mosinnagant.net.

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Post  jinxremoving on Tue Aug 07, 2012 2:45 pm

so, I am utterly ignorant of rifle culture, which seems to be a very separate animal than handgun culture. Anyone have any links or ideas for a good starting point? i imagine that people's love for their AR's, AK's, Winchesters, Moisins, and Garands can't be total flukes, but around here, it seems that rifle ranges are harder to find, we're not allowed much other than shotguns for hunting, and there isn't much venue for sporting use of rifles (again, I'm in metro Boston) so i'm not sure where the utility/attraction is for the long gun. I might grow to love them, but I think I need to understand the mentality/environment first.

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Post  comedian on Tue Aug 07, 2012 8:23 pm

jinxremoving wrote:so, I am utterly ignorant of rifle culture, which seems to be a very separate animal than handgun culture. Anyone have any links or ideas for a good starting point? i imagine that people's love for their AR's, AK's, Winchesters, Moisins, and Garands can't be total flukes, but around here, it seems that rifle ranges are harder to find, we're not allowed much other than shotguns for hunting, and there isn't much venue for sporting use of rifles (again, I'm in metro Boston) so i'm not sure where the utility/attraction is for the long gun. I might grow to love them, but I think I need to understand the mentality/environment first.

Well, it does help to have a place to shoot a rifle- which needs a lot of damn space. And specialized ranges to handle the power of the cartridges.
I'm an amateur historian and there is an awesome thrill to shooting a surplus rifle that was part of history. Other people buy them because they are hunters, take part in competitions, or enjoy the hobby of tweaking their rifle for some specific purpose ( those would be AR guys/ gals mostly ).
A starting point for a centerfire rifle ( I assume you did not mean a .22 )? Depends on what you want to use it for.
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Post  Progurt on Tue Aug 07, 2012 11:44 pm

Plus the Mosin is a big bada boom. It kicks like a mule, and it's just this great big solid gun to shoot. Dirt simple too. You're using the official gun of the Russian peasantry's glorious resistance to the fascist invasion Very Happy
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Post  gendoikari87 on Wed Aug 08, 2012 12:21 am

Progurt wrote:Plus the Mosin is a big bada boom. It kicks like a mule, and it's just this great big solid gun to shoot. Dirt simple too. You're using the official gun of the Russian peasantry's glorious resistance to the fascist invasion Very Happy
Not to mention a descendant of the rifle used in the "glorious" revolution.

Way to fuck that one up lenin.
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Post  comedian on Wed Aug 08, 2012 10:21 am

gendoikari87 wrote:
Progurt wrote:Plus the Mosin is a big bada boom. It kicks like a mule, and it's just this great big solid gun to shoot. Dirt simple too. You're using the official gun of the Russian peasantry's glorious resistance to the fascist invasion Very Happy
Not to mention a descendant of the rifle used in the "glorious" revolution.

Way to fuck that one up lenin.

You need to read about the Russian Civil War in depth. Lenin wasn't the only actor in that tragedy. Evil or Very Mad
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Post  jinxremoving on Wed Aug 08, 2012 2:43 pm

I definitely get the appeal of the power, and long-range capability, especially in a reasonably priced sniper-able model (ahem, did someone say Springfield 1903?) but my problem is-- I don't hunt (not opposed, just haven't) and I don't know where I'd shoot the durned thing. It's like having a Nissan Skyline and no SCCA track to blow past Hondas on...

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Post  gendoikari87 on Wed Aug 08, 2012 3:13 pm

comedian wrote:
gendoikari87 wrote:
Progurt wrote:Plus the Mosin is a big bada boom. It kicks like a mule, and it's just this great big solid gun to shoot. Dirt simple too. You're using the official gun of the Russian peasantry's glorious resistance to the fascist invasion Very Happy
Not to mention a descendant of the rifle used in the "glorious" revolution.

Way to fuck that one up lenin.

You need to read about the Russian Civil War in depth. Lenin wasn't the only actor in that tragedy. Evil or Very Mad
No but he's the best scape goat.
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Post  Progurt on Wed Aug 08, 2012 5:48 pm

jinxremoving wrote:I definitely get the appeal of the power, and long-range capability, especially in a reasonably priced sniper-able model (ahem, did someone say Springfield 1903?) but my problem is-- I don't hunt (not opposed, just haven't) and I don't know where I'd shoot the durned thing. It's like having a Nissan Skyline and no SCCA track to blow past Hondas on...
I have a couple ranges in my area where I can shoot my Mosin and my .30-30; usually they require (especially for the Mosins) that you use brand new ammo and not military surplus, and that you use lead-tip and not FMJ rounds. What state do you live in, and how strong is your Google-fu?
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Post  jinxremoving on Thu Aug 09, 2012 1:48 pm

in MA for about 1 more week!

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Post  Progurt on Thu Aug 09, 2012 1:49 pm

Where to after that?
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Post  Inquisitor on Thu Aug 09, 2012 9:34 pm

jinxremoving wrote:in MA for about 1 more week!

Alas, if you stayed in MA, I have a place to shoot da red rifles. My Mosin is strangely not the only one in WSA in Bedford, despite the wingnut presence there. Thats what the muffs are for though Smile

You can even get 100-150$ MNs at Four Seasons in Woburn. Though they have some used Finn M39 for under 500. Not checked their condition.

Maybe a trip up there before you flee MA Smile

http://www.fsguns.com/used/

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Post  7N6Wolf on Fri Aug 10, 2012 10:21 pm

comedian wrote:
gendoikari87 wrote:
Progurt wrote:Plus the Mosin is a big bada boom. It kicks like a mule, and it's just this great big solid gun to shoot. Dirt simple too. You're using the official gun of the Russian peasantry's glorious resistance to the fascist invasion Very Happy
Not to mention a descendant of the rifle used in the "glorious" revolution.

Way to fuck that one up lenin.

You need to read about the Russian Civil War in depth. Lenin wasn't the only actor in that tragedy. Evil or Very Mad

Indeed. The isolation of the revolution in a backward country and the devastation unleashed on the early Soviet regime were also what contributed to the rise of Stalinism; the rise of Stalinism was not due to some "inherent defect" of Lenin and the Bolsheviks.

I would like to get an M1911A1 variant for my next gun, butI probably won't be buying another gun anytime soon, given that I do not have as much money to spare since I stopped renting with a roommate last year. I am also hoping to return to college in the spring as well.

Of course, there are many M1911A1 variants with varying prices. I don't think my first one would be a match grade pistol by any means, but I am not sure what to go with. I have seen cheaper M1911A1 variants selling for $400.00, give or take (some of these are Rock Island Armory guns). Are these cheaper ones any good? Is the low price due to them being made in the Philippines, or is it due to shoddy craftsmanship? I have also seen some more expensive, mid-range ones made by Springfield Armory, Inc. and Remington.
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